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    This is an outline that I often give guys who struggle with the early dating process that often leave the freaked out woman running down the street with both hands in the air screaming in a high pitch voice. Now if you are a guy that is good with women and successful at dating then this isn't for you (you probably aren't on this site anyway). It is a framework to help keep things from going off the rails and creating a train wreck. Every detail of it has a very specific reason for being listed even if I don't fully explain it in the text itself.

    Early Dating Outline for Guys

    Phase One – a few weeks to a month long

    1. Guy offers a girl a specific date once a week and sets the date for a week away. You are making her an offer, present it that way like you know what you are doing. Plan it out ahead of time so you already know what you are offering. A good pattern is ask on Monday or Tues for a weekend date. No “fuzzy” dates! She needs a specific time/day/place. If you hit a day she can’t do it and she actually wants to spend time with you she will give you a counter offer or at least let you know in some way that it is ok to try again later. If she does neither of those then she probably isn’t into you. A compromise option would be to ask her when she is free to get together then offer a specific time/day/place.

    2. No chit-chatting, texting/calling between setting the date and arriving on the date. This is important to build anticipation for the date so both parties are excited to see each other when they arrive. It demonstrates integrity of both parties when they actually show up for the date without needing to be reassuring each other leading up to it. It eliminates either party from saying something stupid in a text or phone call to weaken the other’s attraction to them before they even make it to the date or maybe causing the date to be canceled or at minimum cause the other to be half-hearted about it. It is needy, insecure, and impatient people on both sides that think they need to chit-chat leading up to the date or the other one might forget about them and not show up.

    3. No expensive dates, no exuberant dates, no long trips, no weekend trips, no vacation trips, no meeting family/friends. Guy pays for the date. Get over it. Maybe the woman can pick up the tip if she wants. Guys, keep it happy, fun, and light hearted. No heavy subjects. Guys, what a woman remembers about a date are different than you remember. She remembers how you made her feel. So make sure she always thinks of happy feelings and fun when she thinks of you.

    4. Do not bring up any labels what-so-ever, such as boyfriend, girlfriend, relationship, marriage, love, or anything else along those lines. At this point you are not her boyfriend and she is not your girlfriend. That is her job to bring that stuff up when she is ready,…not your job, you suck at it, so forget it. You both still need to understand that you have the freedom to see other people at the same time, even if you don’t choose to act on it,…it is a frame of mind you both need to have.

    5. Rinse and repeat, over and over each week or so, but not more than once a week at this early point. Show some discipline and that you aren’t still in high school.

    Phase Two – a few more weeks long to a couple months

    1. After a few weeks if you haven’t made mistakes the woman will start to contact you in between the dates. Be smart enough to know that this is your cue to set the next date. This shifts some of the power over to the woman. Before the guy did all the chasing and setting the date. But now the dates happen each time the woman contacts you which gives her control of the frequency. You are both now sharing in the process. This means to an extent that the dates are her idea and it also means that you may now potentially see each other more than once a week. But don’t get carried away, still show some discipline. The rest of this phase is about the same as Phase One.

    2. Minimal chit-chatting, texting/calling between setting the date and arriving on the date.

    3. No expensive dates, no exuberant dates, no long trips, no weekend trips, no vacation trips, no meeting family/friends. Guy pays for the date. Get over it. Maybe the woman can pick up the tip if she wants. Guys, keep it happy, fun, and light hearted. No heavy subjects. Guys, what a woman remembers about a date are different than you remember. She remembers how you made her feel. So make sure she always thinks of happy feelings and fun when she thinks of you.

    4. Do not bring up any labels what-so-ever, such as boyfriend, girlfriend, relationship, marriage, love, or anything else along those lines. At this point you are not her boyfriend and she is not your girlfriend. That is her job to bring that stuff up when she is ready,…not your job, you suck at it, so forget it. You both still need to understand that you have the freedom to see other people at the same time, even if you don’t choose to act on it,…it is a frame of mind you both need to have.

    Phase 3 – Lasts until you breakup, co-habitate, get married, or she runs over you with the car

    If you haven’t made a bunch of mistakes and screwed things up yet, at around 7-8 weeks (maybe longer if you made mistakes) the woman may bring up the exclusivity conversation. She may be vague and coy about it, so you might have to pick her brain a little to be sure if that is what she is saying she wants. If that is what she wants, and if you agree to it then you are now finally boyfriend/girlfriend and will need to drop off any others that you both may be seeing.
    Last edited by PRW; 03-26-2018, 04:30 PM.

  • #2
    Funny read some good info. Me personally I am not interested in Dating a women who is dating other men. If somehow it ever came up that is my cue to move along. Like you said in the article its not highschool and competing for ones affection or love is not something I am interested in.

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    • #3
      Mind you I have only been single for 8 months in the past 28 years, 4 relationships in that time and currently just started looking again.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lost 73 View Post
        Funny read some good info. Me personally I am not interested in Dating a women who is dating other men. If somehow it ever came up that is my cue to move along. Like you said in the article its not highschool and competing for ones affection or love is not something I am interested in.
        Then you will find slim pickings,...women who are desirable and have options will certainly be exercising their options, so you should be doing the same for your own good. Often those who say they will only date one at a time don't comprehend that the period of time I am describing is the early period when they are not your girlfriend. The resistors to that idea also don't understand casual dating, and that causal dating is required to "get through" to exclusive dating. They will also find themselves in unbalanced situations where they only date the one woman,...while she is seeing other guys but is smart enough to keep her mouth shut about it. Then they are confused when she suddenly goes quiet on them and disappears (or says "just want to be friends", or whatever excuse) because she decided to "choose" one of the other guys she was seeing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PRW View Post

          Then you will find slim pickings,...women who are desirable and have options will certainly be exercising their options, so you should be doing the same for your own good. Often those who say they will only date one at a time don't comprehend that the period of time I am describing is the early period when they are not your girlfriend. The resistors to that idea also don't understand casual dating, and that causal dating is required to "get through" to exclusive dating. They will also find themselves in unbalanced situations where they only date the one woman,...while she is seeing other guys but is smart enough to keep her mouth shut about it. Then they are confused when she suddenly goes quiet on them and disappears (or says "just want to be friends", or whatever excuse) because she decided to "choose" one of the other guys she was seeing.
          Agreed Never causally dated in my life. If I have to compete then I am not interested. I have morals and think that once you start 'Dating" someone that is all you date. Even when not committed, Its a sign of respect. Do I want to be even talking with someone If Friday Night I go out with them and Saturday they are with someone else. I am not investing my time in a situation that requires me to be a caveman. and FYI I have ZERO issues picking up women at all. I don't find the pickings slim.

          Usually we chat for a bit a few days here and there. Agree on a date night we go and not sure where the don't talk to each other comes from because usually after the first date when the chatting increases you know they are interested. I always wait until the next day send a text stating I enjoyed her company and that I smiled a lot have a great day. 9/10 I got a response and then either that night or day or so later she would text and we would chat or phone call. I have been ghosted 1 time, other times I backed away. I am not sure what age your advise is for. But older people tend to not waste time months nope we get to the point. In fact most times the magic number is 3 dates before being intimate sometimes 2 or even on the first date.

          I'm in my mid 40's we are not kids we know what we want and go after it and most times its on her cue and them doing the chasing. I am in a few Facebook rooms and you would figure more men less women nope 4 women to every man and they are sharks. I have been single for 8 months now and have dated 3 women separate times 2 after the second date I backed away to many red flags and the 3rd well I thought it was going well 3 dates she made plans for the 4th and ghosted. But even right this second I am getting texted and have a few that I am talking to getting the feel ya out stage.

          But short answer if a woman is looking for competition, my days for that is over. I know that I am a catch, Young enough, great job and money, have the looks and funny a hell old school ways of being a gentleman. I feel that it is a respect thing I mean do I want a chick kissing me one night then kissing someone else the next night? just me I would personally have trust issues if after 1 date and we continued dating that she was dating others I would think that I wouldn't be able to trust her.

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          • #6
            If after a few months and we became a couple I found out that the first 2 months we dated she was dating others I would walk away period means she didn't respect me enough. We had labels for that causal thing you mention for both girls and guys who dated many people at once. When did that change and be acceptable?

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            • #7
              BTW - I'm half a generation older than you,...I also used to be "you" and think like you and I know just what you have to look forward to because I have been there. I am honestly trying to help, I'm not here to give anyone a hard time.

              Everybody competes,...like it or not. You either compete or resign & lose.

              Originally posted by Lost 73 View Post
              If after a few months and we became a couple I found out that the first 2 months we dated she was dating others I would walk away period means she didn't respect me enough.
              That is the kind of thing that women complain about when I ask them their thoughts on this stuff. If you walk away because during the first 8 weeks you discover you aren't the only guy she was considering, that is the kind of "guy" that a lot of women want to "weed out". You said it was 4 relationships in the 8 months you've been dating. You're not in a relationship because you went out on a few dates. Thinking like that is going to get you into trouble again and again.

              Originally posted by Lost 73 View Post
              We had labels for that causal thing you mention for both girls and guys who dated many people at once. When did that change and be acceptable?
              Clearly you think causal dating is something more than it is, so we aren't speaking the same language. Maybe you equate dating with sex, or think causal dating is synonymous with "casual sex",...neither is true. You have only been dating for 8 months after being married 28 years. You're still very new at this. You'll figure it out.
              Last edited by PRW; 03-27-2018, 04:12 PM.

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              • #8
                I have zero interest in dating someone that is dating others, Like I stated before I do not have an issue getting dates. If I wanted to I could have half a dozen. But I only date 1 person at a time. WE are adults how long do you wait before sex? most times its 3 dates for me, so like I stated if I am sleeping with someone and they are still dating I am out of there. I don't know many people who wait months for sex. I also don't know many people who don't talk between dates. I mean how do you figure out if you want to even go out on a date?

                I always used that time to get to know each other. I have 2 interested and tonight I will tell one that I will be dating someone else. Because I don't think it is fair to lead someone on as a just in case.

                So let me ask this, Before step 1 how much do you talk? I meet most on Tinder or a Facebook online group. How much do you chat with them before the first date?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lost 73 View Post
                  WE are adults how long do you wait before sex? most times its 3 dates for me, so like I stated if I am sleeping with someone and they are still dating I am out of there. I don't know many people who wait months for sex.
                  Well, there's the root of your problem there. You say you have morals but are "dropping pants" on the 3rd date. You are trying to mix casual dating with casual sex. Sex is for relationships, relationships begin at exclusivity when the casual part ends. You don't know people that wait 6 months? I know people that wait till they are married.

                  Originally posted by Lost 73 View Post
                  I mean how do you figure out if you want to even go out on a date?
                  I always used that time to get to know each other.
                  The phone is for setting dates.
                  The reason you go on the date is to "get to know each other".
                  Don't use the wrong tool for the job.


                  Originally posted by Lost 73 View Post
                  So let me ask this, Before step 1 how much do you talk?
                  I mostly stay away from the online disaster.
                  I meet them in person, at group events with friends. Meetup.com is a good way to do that.
                  The steps:
                  1. Am I attracted to them? Well, that takes about 10 seconds to figure out...and that is if I am slow that day
                  2. Talk with them for a while,...are they a wack job? No?
                  3. Ok, not a wack job, and she's hot. I open up a new blank contact on my phone,...I hand them my phone and say, "Put your contract info in there for me",... I don't say why (they aren't stupid, they know). This is usually on a weekend.
                  4. Monday or Tues I offer (not ask, but offer) them a date for the weekend on a specific day/time/place.
                  5. If they accept I say, "Sounds great,...I'll see you then". They don't see or hear from me during the 3-4 days till I show up on the date. I rarely get a "no" and have never been stood up.
                  6. I pretty much follow the outline from that point


                  Last edited by PRW; 03-27-2018, 06:34 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Sorry this is 2018 Waiting until marriage is out of the question. I like sex nope not waiting and nope not getting married again.

                    Everything I have read is that between 3-5 dates is average.

                    According to a new survey by XXXXX, couples who waited 5 dates before sleeping together reported being 35% happier together compared to those who had sex on the first date. Essentially, keeping it in your pants for just a little longer than you’d like is the best way to start a new relationship.

                    I XXXX over the name it wont allow me to post

                    The whole set a date and don't talk in between don't and wont work. Sorry at least for me wouldn't.

                    Also I don't have time to go to meetups and group outings. I am not looking for someone a year from now. You could end up going to 20 events before meeting someone that's almost 5 months. Online I can get 5 people in a day to chat. Most times you chat for a week or so then make a date. After the date the next day send a text about enjoying the day. Continue to chat make another date for the following week.

                    Most people don't think about this but you have made up your mind in the first 30 seconds of meeting someone if your are interested in them. the rest is just pudding.

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                    • #11
                      “Recent surveys show that most exclusively dating couples wait an average of 3-5 dates before having sex (in terms of the actual length of time, it can span from one to five weeks depending on the pace of the couple),” says President & Founder Barbie Adler. Dates three, four, and five are typically when individuals begin to glean more insight about their new partner, which is when chemistry really starts to develop, says Adler.


                      “A truly healthy relationship strikes a harmonious balance between the physical and the emotional; acting too early on strong physical attractions could cause you to rely too heavily on your sexual relationship, so it’s important to first cultivate a strong emotional connection with your partner — this deeper bond will continue to keep your sex life healthy down the line, even after the initial heat dies down,” concludes Adler.

                      You see me and most of the people I know agree with this statement. Sorry not waiting 5+ months to have sex didn't as a kid and wont as an adult. To me sexual compatibility is important you don't buy a used car with out taking it out for a spin. Same thing if the sex isn't good better to know before being committed for along time. I knew this one chick before I met my last relationship on the third date she started talking about why she didn't like sex and that she don't like having it often. bet you know that was the last date, Is sex everything NOPE but it is something a sexless relationship is just friendship. I have the friends I want not looking for more friends.

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                      • #12
                        We read and believe the same "stats".

                        I don't put "sex" in that outline for a reason. It is meant to work for a variety of people who have different moral compasses and a variety of religious views.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PRW View Post
                          We read and believe the same "stats".

                          I don't put "sex" in that outline for a reason. It is meant to work for a variety of people who have different moral compasses and a variety of religious views.
                          And that is why if I date someone I expect to be the only one.

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                          • #14
                            After saying all that the woman I am dating "Talking to" just had hip replacement surgery so sex is out of the picture for several months LOL go figure my luck and she is really nice

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                            • #15

                              Good advice, it was indeed helpful.

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